Chuck Bryant

Right.

Josh Clark

So we have Jöreskog’s ideas. We’ve got – what your guy’s name? Sternberg’s?

Chuck Bryant

Not my guy.

Josh Clark

Let’s talk about Howard Gardner. He has the feel-good-we’re-all-geniuses kind of theory, right?

Chuck Bryant

Yeah, multiple intelligence. He thinks there’s seven types – linguistic, logical mathematic, musical, bodily kinesthetic, spatial – which is always in there, intrapersonal, and interpersonal. But that’s like you said, it’s a little too broad is what a lot of critics say.

Josh Clark

It is.

Chuck Bryant

There’s always a critic of each of these, it seems like. One person comes out with something and people say, "Oh, I think that sounds good." And then another part of the camp says, "No, I don’t agree at all."

Josh Clark

Right. Isn’t that the way with everything, though, Chuck?

Chuck Bryant

Yeah, pretty much.

Josh Clark

Like, "Mountain Dew Code Red is the greatest drink ever." "No, it’s not. Regular Mount
ain Dew is way better."

Chuck Bryant

Good point.

Josh Clark: And then I guess another hallmark of intelligence, something that can be measured is genius’ aptitude toward social awkwardness.

Chuck Bryant

Yeah, a lot of them are generally known as quirky odd characters.

Josh Clark

They make up friends as John Nash did.

Chuck Bryant

Sure. Yeah, absolutely! Einstein was sort of a wacky guy.

Josh Clark

Yeah, he liked to stick his tongue out. He was zany.

Chuck Bryant

Yeah. People always point to that picture. "See, look how crazy he was." Got anyone else?

Josh Clark

Well, let’s talk about studying that.

Chuck Bryant

Yes, Josh. A Purdue U study saw 423 gifted students and suggested that they were more susceptible to being bullied. So they’re little mamby pambys, I guess.

Josh Clark

A little bit. Also, there was a study out of – was it Stanford? It was a 20-year study that ended in 1940 and actually gave children aptitude tests and personal adjustment tests, and found that there was a negative correlation between IQ and social adjustment.

Chuck Bryant

Right.

Josh Clark

So basically, it’s quantifying what we all already know, that if you’re a smart kid you’re going to eat mud several times in your life.

Chuck Bryant

Yes. I never ate mud. That’s why I knew my IQ score was BS. One thing that geniuses have in common, I think we can all agree that you need to have to be a genius – and not just smart – is creative intelligence.

Josh Clark

And high-waisted pants.

Chuck Bryant

Creative intelligence and high-waisted pants. This is where it all comes together to me.

Josh Clark

Right. Yeah. I mean, we talked about this earlier. It’s not good enough to just be smart. Then you’re just a really intelligent person. The leap between intelligence and genius is bridged by creative prowess.