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Podcast Goodness: Innovations and the Peter Principle

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1Hello there, friends. Hope everyone is having a stellar week out there in the real world. Josh and I have had a good few days, despite being chained to our cubicles and fed raw meats by Jeri every other day (tomorrow is guinea fowl!). On a little show we like to call Stuff You Should Know, Dr. Compasshead and I dived into some innovations the world could use and something called the “Peter Principle.”

Tuesday’s edition hit up the innovations. We could have gone in all kinds of directions — cancer-killing machine, cold fusion, ocean-sized desalinators, you name it. We settled on teleportation, a universal language and then we spun it with an innovator that could lead humanity into the future. To be honest, we picked teleportation because it was cool and universal language so we could talk about Esperanto! I made a special call out to this blog to get some more ideas that would revolutionize the world today. So let’s hear it, folks. Leave your ideas below.

The Peter Principle is an idea based on a book from the late 1960s. It basically involves a scenario in which an employee is promoted to the point that they aren’t qualified to do the work. It’s a pretty interesting thing if you ask me, and Joshers and I were able to get into the nuts and bolts of work ethic and how the corporate ladder works. We also had one of the best listener mails in a long time.

So leave your innovative ideas right here and if anyone has ever seen the Peter Principle in action, we want to know about it. Have a great weekend everybody, and thanks as always to Parallax Kodachrome for this week’s image of Josh and me as part of the U.S.S. Enterprise crew — in honor of teleportation.

I dare you to read this stuff:
How the Peter Principle Works
How Teleportation Will Work
Can chimpanzees learn human language?

 

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28 Comments

  • That guys mankes the bestest pictures.
    I’d like to shake his hand someday but I have a feeling that it might be sticky.

  • brian says:

    I have to say, the whole concept of teleportation by recreating cells and destroying the originals disturbs me.

    It seems to me more like cloning and destroying. The person on the other end of the “teleportation station” would look, act, and have the exact same memories as you, but it wouldn’t have the same experiences as you. It wouldn’t be you. Would you die? or somehow be transferred to the other body?

    Scary stuff.

    As for innovations, I think the biggest and most useful innovations will be ones that we cant possibly imagine right now. I mean, in the 1800s, nobody even dreamed about the internet or Ipods.

  • Nick says:

    One of the biggest innovations that I think was missed was the Bionic Eye. How amazing would it be to allow people to see again. And also lead up to a modern day Steve Austin! Like the Cochlear implant before it, the recepient would recieve a new lease on life, and then this implant would lead on to other such live saving devices as artifical hearts or lungs, limbs and maybe even allowing the physically disabled to walk again. I think this would be a greater innovation than a international language

    Other wise, love the podcast!!!

    Cheers Nick

  • I want very much to become a cyborg and so any bionic body parts would be a most welcome technological advancement.

  • Caitlin says:

    I just started reading a book called
    In the Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lovers and the Mad Dreamers who tried to Build a Perfect Language by Arika Okrent.

    Anyone interested in made-up languages should read too, because so far it’s really interesting and very humorous!

  • I think that if teleportation counts, I’m going to have to say that time travel would be on my list. I’m not sure if it’s more or less likely than teleportation, but both would be pretty amazing. Where we came from (evolution, origin of life), divine origins of past religious figures, etc. could all be investigated.

    Also, the National Science Foundation is addressing what you guys mentioned about graduate students becoming too specialized to solve large problems. They’ve started programs that specifically fund interdisciplinary research so that graduate students become well rounded and able to work across several disciplines. It’s not widespread, but at least they’re addressing the issue.

    Love the podcast!

  • Alec says:

    Referring to the over-specialization of scientists these days, a wise guy once said that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until, eventually, he knows everything about nothing.

  • Jason says:

    The body has to be destroyed in this kind of teleportation because, as part of the process, you are converted into a Bose-Einstein condensate. This is a strange form of matter that exists at temperatures near absolute zero.

    The basic method is to “flash freeze” something, quickly reducing it to a Bose-Einstein condensate. All of the atoms will drop to their lowest quantum state, releasing all of their excess energy in a sort of “data burst.” If this data burst can be directed at another bunch of Bose-Einstein matter, it could transfer all of its data, including position of the electrons around the nucleus. Scientists have already used this method to teleport atoms.

    Brian: it’s just as disturbing to me too. Like they said on the podcast, what happens to the soul? But I guess the body is being replaced all the time, not only because we are eating and breathing in new atoms and eliminating old ones, but also because virtual particles are constantly replacing our current ones. I tend to think the soul follows our consciousness, not the actual matter.

  • Nick says:

    Just got the Peter Principle Podcast (love that alliteration!) Very good stuff. A prime example of this in popular culture would be Michael Scott off The Office, or David Brent in the original. They may have been capable salesmen, but as management, would you want them?

  • Nghia Phan says:

    Regarding the Peter Principle, this is the first time I heard of this, but now I realize I actualy have seen it in action in the military. There is a constant ‘push’ for leadership positions in the military especially with higher rank.

    I am in the medical field. What I have seen in the military medical field, especially primary care, is that it is staffed by newly trained physisicians and nurses. There are very few senior/experienced physicians or nurses to take care of patients. Many physicians usualy complete their obligations in 3-7 years then get out or take on leadership position and stop/reduce seeing patients whether they are good at leadership or not. The system does not encourage experience physicians to stay clinical and take care of patients. One basically either get out or take command. Basically, it’s set up so that you cannot do what you were trained to do if you want to stay and gain rank.

  • King Of Town says:

    Listening to your peter principle podcast, I am disappointed you guys didn’t mention the Dilbert Principle. i think the gist of that one is that people get promoted to where they are incompetant and then get promoted out of that job into one were they can cause a lot less harm. I know I am using the internet right nw and could have simply googled the thing and told you what it was exactly, but i’m lazy (perhaps self sabotage?).

    An innovation that I don’t know if I really like, but which is coming supposedly is the ending of aging. I was listening to another podcast and the guy on there was interviewing a leader in this field ( who was described as a doctor that jumoed from field to field to learn things about them all) and he said that once they get this cancer thing figured out, we could live as long as we wanted provided we could manage to not get hit by trucks. I believe it is the Methusula (probably spelled wrong, but like I said before I’m lazy) Project.

  • John says:

    If we are going to end aging, I hope we also end birthing.

  • daniel cousins says:

    hi guys

    i really do not know were to start with this so i will go with what is fresh in my mind and move back into the stale 2 day old thoughts soon. first off chuck you were in the murphy’s law podcast. now we can get into the fun stuff to start i think it best to tell you what you inovations pod cast reminded me of an essay i wrote in grade 8 about life in the next 25 years and i wrote about a cell phone size computer that could do any thing it was call a basic intalect computer or bic for short and after going back and rereading my old essay i found the the computer i described back then was really the apple iphone. but our inovation now should be geared more towards the problems we have to day like global warming and over population we should be comeing up with new ways to remove green house gas and build green space. we could benifet from so much like the positronic brain or better dissaster controll plans. the world is not going to need us to survive it can take these changes but we need to move forward to survive. hopefully you find your inovateor soon let me know were to send me application.

    have a good no wait better no make that the best weekend

    love the podcast mention me on air

  • @Nick: I thought the same thing! Michael Scott & David Brent are prime examples of the Peter Principle. Maybe some writers from “The Office” listen to the podcast and will decide to work the term into a future episode.

  • mary browder says:

    Josh and Chuck:

    The word y’all were trying to think of on this podcast to describe Michael Brown’s position at FEMA stemming from his friendly relationship with GW Bush: cronyism

  • Laura D. says:

    I got nothin’ on the innovation front. My hope is that we can someday develop a complete understanding of the human brain. Any mechanism that would get us there would be an A++ innovation in my book.

    Also, I know ya’ll have probably already been contacted by genuine experts regarding the condition, but “Drowsy Doug” pretty much described Sleep Paralysis, which is horrifying but generally harmless. Sounds like he needs to take a little trip to the sleep doc. Awesome meds to follow!

  • Jack says:

    You should have mentioned Obama as one of the innovators.

  • Hi Chuck & Josh great podcast.
    I just listened to the Peter Principle and it was your email from Doug that prompted my reply. I have narcolepsy and one of the conditions that comes with that disorder/disease is cataplexy. Having narcolepsy means I’m slleep deprived all the time. My brain is missing the chemical that would tell the brain when to go to sleep or when it should be awake. Because of this it is random. 24 hours a day I.m up, down, up, down, up ,down ,up down. People assume I get a lot of sleep because they see me sleeping everywhere during the day. They don’t know that I’m awake through out half the night. Some nights I get more sleep than others but it’s never deep sleep because I’m never sleeping long enough to go beyond REM. When your in REM sleep your body is in sort of a paralyzed state the muscles are all relaxed. This paralysis is what keeps you lying in your bed while your dreaming about punching a guy in a pig suit.
    Cataplexy is caused by confusion in my brain. I’m not confused just my brain is. I will give you some examples because right it probably seems like I’m not making sense.
    (1#) I get in a heated argument with my girlfriend, as my temper rises I decide to storm out of the room. I walk 3 feet and my legs give out and I fall on the floor. I’m full awake and coherent but my muscles suddenly completely relaxed. After about 25 second my muscle come back under my control, I get up and I’m back to normal.
    (2#) I’m very funny, no one thinks so more that myself. In a conversation with my friends I will attempt to make some comment that is brilliantly funny. I don’t get to finish making my witty comment instead I fall down and lay on the ground for 30 seconds.

    (3#) I’m playing disc golf with my friends (like golf but with discs) and I’m very good at it. When its my turn to drive I know even before the disc has left my fingers that it was beautiful and my friends are going to be amazed by my incredible skill. Normal procedure is to high-five your buddy after a great shot but I’m lying on the ground in a heap. Once I recover we play out the hole head to the next tee and repeat the scenario.

    For some reason in when Im feeling strong emotions, laughter, anger, or feeling extremely proud of an accomplishment, my brain thinks that I am dreaming and relaxes my muscles.

    Sometimes I fall asleep and wake up a short while later and I’m unable to move for a minute or two. I’m aware of everything around me going on and I cant even speak. Another strange thing that happens is I will be dreaming but I’m not completely asleep. My eyes are open and I can see but my brains is still sleeping and dreaming. Sometimes my my girlfriend will be talking to someone or maybe someone on the TV is talking and I will join the conversation. Usually it’s unintelligible gibberish but occasionally it coherent but lacks any sense.
    I think Doug may be experiencing mild narcolepsy and cataplexy. He should see a doctor so that his life does not become s gong show like mine.
    \
    Michael Duffield
    2408 Upland Street
    Vancouver, BC V5S 2B5

  • Alex Clark says:

    A urinal that doesn’t have the splash back effect.

  • HEY!!!!

    Thank you for reading my letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was literally jumping around the room screaming, THANK YOU!

    Wow, insane.

  • Corey says:

    Hey guys!

    I loved the podcasts this week!

    Some of my suggestions for future innovations are solar/wind powered cars, an international currency, and sunscreen pills.

    I know that you talked about teleportation, but it sounds very dangerous, and that the person on the other side would be a totally new person. I think that it would be fine for transporting goods, but not people. A solar/wind powered car that can trap any heat energy to use to propel the car would be an environmentally healthy method of transportation, and it would solve the problem of a lack of fossil fuels.

    As soon as you started talking about an international language, I immediately thought that there should be an international currency to go along with it. They did this in Europe, and I think that it would be smart to do this with the entire world. Trade and travel would be a lot easier.

    The sunscreen pill is not a necessary thing, but would be very helpful. It is a pain to have to slather on slimy sunscreen all the time, and then get sunburn for just standing outside for an unexpected time without it, so a sunscreen pill that you could take every morning would be a great solution. (Also, do this with bug spray.)

    Thanks!

    Corey

  • Jason says:

    Corey, eating lots of garlic or taking garlic pills is almost like a bug spray pill. Not quite, but it’s pretty good.

  • Chelsea says:

    I just heard the Peter Principle Podcast and Doug’s email and wanted to propose that, along with sleep paralysis, he could be having hypnopompic hallucinations (hallucinations that occur when you are waking up). In any case, I agree with Laura D. There should be some pretty awesome meds out there to counteract this.

  • Robert Lamb says:

    My wife listened to this one today and we were chatting about it. On the language thing, “Snow Crash” is still fresh on my brain, so I couldn’t but think about it in terms of an operating system for culture. If we’re all running on the same operating system, then we’re all susceptible to the same cultural viruses — much like an asexually-reproduced species or a single-crop farm lacks the genetic diversity to withstand illness all that well. For instance, if you view Nazism as a cultural virus of sorts, then it was also one largely contained within the German language operating system. But what if we’d all had one language? One culture?

    It’s not a perfect example, but it’s an interesting one to digest.

    As for teleprotation, the fact that we still can’t keep trains from running into each other on closed tracks makes me hesitant to imagine running my MARTA card through a slot on the side of a telepod. :)

    ~rl

  • The problem I have with teleportation is not the fact that the original has to be destroyed, it is the security issue. How much havoc can be reached if you can just beam anything you’d like, to anywhere, or beam anything out of anywhere..
    I think the next best thing would be self driving cars. Transportation could be made much much lighter and more efficient if we didn’t have to build cars able to withstand the horrible collisions we fallible mortals cause.
    Free higher education would be my vote for how to bring the US to the next technological level. Robots can already do most manual labor, and the only reason we don’t have more robots than we do is the catastrophic unemployment it would bring. Cheap labor is plentiful, what we need are more thinkers.

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  • Jessy says:

    While I think that new ideas are important and love your call for more innovations, I disagree with your need for an innovator. As a graduate student at Stanford University who interacts with a number of those “movers and shakers” and someone who had majored in science in society as an undergraduate, I think that the lone genius tends to be overrated. Americans love the idea of an individual making great discoveries and single-handedly pushing science ahead. (It is actually referred to as the garage myth and This American Life recently highlighted it.) That, however, is not really how society moves ahead. Real progress tends to be made in small incremental discoveries and are often made through collaborative works. Rather than calling for one person using their whole brain, I think that we should try to get twenty people thinking with different parts of their brains to help us out.

    The biggest problem with the innovator idea is that it doesn’t give us average Joes credit or responsibility for progress. You guys should go home every day being so proud that you put new ideas out there, made us all think, advocated for something important, and possibly helped someone. You are doing your part to get us to all push our understanding and expectations to new levels. If we work as a team, much more is possible. I just don’t think that we should sit waiting for a string theorist to save us when really one intellectual jump would probably do much less than ever person decided to recycle something or tried to be extra nice to someone today.

  • Aine says:

    Dear Messrs Catchers-mitt and Bryant,
    I am a humble piano technician living in the South Island of New Zealand, for my sins I toil away each day all alone in a dingy, dreary, dirty and Dickensian workshop, restoring old pianos to their former glory and hoping that someone mad and rich enough will come through the door and buy one!
    Apart from the man who comes to read the meter, listening to your podcasts are the highlight of my day and prevent me from going mad from boredom! They help to make the day go quicker, also fantasies about a young David Gilmour coming into the shop, serenading me (even though he’s a guitarist and not a pianst) with Echoes part one and then making love to me on the most expensive piano in the shop (which he has also just purchased (cash up front))

    Anyway….keep em coming, they’re fantastic….I thought I could make some suggestions….how about a podcast on the Hanaford waste site on the Colombia river? Also, you could check out the story of the Tapawera eruption in New Zealand. I am an Irish woman and would love to hear some Irish stuff….Oh, famine, starving prisoners of war….(I know you touched on that, but there’s so much more to the story…ie dirty protests, smuggling letters on zig zag papers under foreskins and did you know that Bobby Sands was an elected British MP when he died?)
    Oh, and one more thing…..I’d love if you could dig up some dirt on the Kiwi’s…..they think they’re soooooooooo perfect!

    Thanks guys,
    Aine

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